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Post by Heilan Rover on Aug 7, 2024 18:58:04 GMT
RZ. This not quite what I meant.
Change is change, and it happens all the time in most businesses, and especially in football clubs. However it is the way the "Necessary" changes are communicated to the people these changes affect most that is important. He could have used different words in his RTV briefing instead of, "It doesn't matter to me", when asked how he felt about the players buy in. In my eyes this was a very dismissive and sadly arrogant response to a bunch of players we are relying upon to immediately stabilize the ship. I do however accept you and others may have a different take on this.
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Post by RedZebra on Aug 7, 2024 19:41:29 GMT
RZ. This not quite what I meant. Change is change, and it happens all the time in most businesses, and especially in football clubs. However it is the way the "Necessary" changes are communicated to the people these changes affect most that is important. He could have used different words in his RTV briefing instead of, "It doesn't matter to me", when asked how he felt about the players buy in. In my eyes this was a very dismissive and sadly arrogant response to a bunch of players we are relying upon to immediately stabilize the ship. I do however accept you and others may have a different take on this. I get that HR, I took it from that, however ineloquently it was put, your with us or not, ultimately, irrespective of what job we do, we all are to a greater or lesser degree, replaceable. It may appear heartless but this is football, it is no respecter of peoples' feelings, needs or wants. Gareth Southgate (amongst others) got a lot of praise for putting his arm round players, ultimately though he won nothing. Football is a brutal business and a brutal career, there is just no time or place for pleasantries if you want to be successful, and this is a real mind shift for Rovers fans and players, this is a business and the BoD want to be successful and will be cut-throat and they will expect all aspects of the business to work at 100% at all times. Modern day football as a business has arrived at Starks Park and it will not sit comfortably with some but, whilst it is their money on the line, it's down to them to make the tough decisions. All we can hope for is that they make the right choices, maintain the lines of communication and ultimately give us all a team to be proud of and enjoy watching and supporting.
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Post by cuparman on Aug 7, 2024 19:49:15 GMT
I must admit that I wasn’t overly impressed with his somewhat flippant answers occasionally. That said, he is in the position where he knows all the facts and does not wish to expand on answers in case this REALLY blows up out of all proportion.
I am guessing that there are justifiable reasons for the board to move IM out, but they do not really want to do their “ washing in public”. As fans, we naturally want to know what is really going on, but he ain’t gonna get into a slagging match, in public, with IM.
This would be REALLY POOR P.R. That’s my take anyway.🤔
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Post by vinnie on Aug 7, 2024 20:06:48 GMT
With RZ on both his posts
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Post by northernrover on Aug 8, 2024 7:13:40 GMT
Murray didn't give two hoots about the Rovers when he went for the Dundee interview. I have little doubt he'd have done similar with Hibs if they had come calling in the summer.
It's a tough business both ways.
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Post by franco on Aug 16, 2024 13:09:00 GMT
Are we going to get a better Head Coach than IM ? ( not that I thought that there was much wrong with the man who presided over our most exciting season since the Jimmy Nic era). All the research had been done and an appointment of someone who would drive us forward would be made " within days". Those approached didn't fancy it because they looked at the facts and asked themselves if they could be sure of obtaining automatic promotion or face the same fate as IM ( which is how it must look from the outside)? With the short list exhausted we are now scanning through the applications received to see if we can find a winner. Ah well, we can only hope .
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Post by badpress139 on Aug 16, 2024 17:01:59 GMT
I think we will have Potter and Cameron and the helm for a good while yet.
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Post by RedZebra on Aug 16, 2024 18:06:37 GMT
I think we will have Potter and Cameron and the helm for a good while yet. That does not fill me with joy and hopes of a bright future. 2 scenarios: #1 Preferred candidates current club are playing hardball on compo #2 Goose is well and truly cooked and they are now trawling down their list of candidates hoping to find someone willing to take the job
Perhaps some of those 'left field' candidates might not be looking so bad after all
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Post by vinnie on Aug 16, 2024 19:01:00 GMT
I think we will have Potter and Cameron and the helm for a good while yet. That does not fill me with joy and hopes of a bright future.2 scenarios: # 1 Preferred candidates current club are playing hardball on compo #2 Goose is well and truly cooked and they are now trawling down their list of candidates hoping to find someone willing to take the job
Perhaps some of those 'left field' candidates might not be looking so bad after allThe players showed more effort,commitment and determination against Partick under P&C than in many a game under IM in 2nd half of the league last season Scenario 1- If we are after a manager currently employed we,d need to ask and receive the clubs permission to approach there manager.Pretty sure that would have been out in the public domain long ago via the media
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Post by RedZebra on Aug 16, 2024 19:34:17 GMT
That does not fill me with joy and hopes of a bright future.2 scenarios: # 1 Preferred candidates current club are playing hardball on compo #2 Goose is well and truly cooked and they are now trawling down their list of candidates hoping to find someone willing to take the job
Perhaps some of those 'left field' candidates might not be looking so bad after all The players showed more effort,commitment and determination against Partick under P&C than in many a game under IM in 2nd half of the league last season Scenario 1- If we are after a manager currently employed we,d need to ask and receive the clubs permission to approach there manager.Pretty sure that would have been out in the public domain long ago via the media
Agree on your rationale there vinnie but............. Barrowman said the preferred candidate was with another club so, unless the has been an MI5 type lockdown on leaks (which we know is nigh on impossible) or, the preferred candidate has gone 'Nah, I'm good thanks' and they are now looking at those left field applications. Disappointing that, despite the boards assertions, no one has been announced yet. Perhaps waiting for Davie to finish his tea to do the interview?
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Post by vinnie on Aug 16, 2024 19:47:31 GMT
The players showed more effort,commitment and determination against Partick under P&C than in many a game under IM in 2nd half of the league last season Scenario 1- If we are after a manager currently employed we,d need to ask and receive the clubs permission to approach there manager.Pretty sure that would have been out in the public domain long ago via the media
Agree on your rationale there vinnie but............. Barrowman said the preferred candidate was with another club so, unless the has been an MI5 type lockdown on leaks (which we know is nigh on impossible) or, the preferred candidate has gone 'Nah, I'm good thanks' and they are now looking at those left field applications. Disappointing that, despite the boards assertions, no one has been announced yet. Perhaps waiting for Davie to finish his tea to do the interview? Thats what I meant by my post RZ,if they had requested permission to speak to another manager every tom,dick and even harry would have known Of course AB only said their preferred candidate was with another club not a manager so the said person could be employed as a coach so no permission required ps,there are many clubs bigger than us who have not been successful in securing on their preferred candidate as manager
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Post by badpress139 on Aug 17, 2024 9:09:12 GMT
Was reading Jimmy Thelins comments about Peter Leven. He says we made an approach to Peter Leven however Leven not interested and fully focused on his role at Aberdeen.
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Post by franco on Aug 17, 2024 11:36:38 GMT
Peter Leven was about the only alleged target who seemed both realistic and potentially exciting. Liam Fox? His track record compares very unfavourably with IM's. If he's who we end up with I'll still attend but with a great deal of scepticism and potential resentment against the Board. No-one will convince me he was on the original shortlist " having done due diligence" !! Vinnie, I agree that many clubs don't land their preferred choice .......but how many after sacking a manager whose team ended the previous season in second place behind a much better financed club, after one game of the league season ( forget the A B justification, that's not found resonance in Scottish football in general)? He didn't even get to play Hanlon and a FIT LV, farless the additional striker he craved. I don't blame any potential target for turning us down.
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Post by Neil M on Aug 17, 2024 12:42:52 GMT
Agree with Vinnie about media leaks, but it was well documented that Aberdeen had given Raith permission to approach Leven and only Leven. The other names touted may have been pure speculation. It had occurred to me that Leven will be both well-paid and secure at Aberdeen, but without the pressure of being manager. If news of Leven's rejection of the post came from Jimmy Thelin, then I was wrong in thinking that Leven may have already identified better ways of doing things at SP. He was never interested in the first place! Have the BoD have maybe jumped the gun a little - and put all their eggs in one basket? I took for granted that their Plan B, C and D would be highly innovative options? Where / when did Laim Fox come into the equation? For me, IM had lost the dressing-room, run out of ideas, become a little negative and his style was "found out" by other teams, a bit like McGlynn and Barry Smith before him. I would have given him a little longer, but I doubt if anythng would have changed.
The first three months of last season were great, but I think that ship had sailed - even if IM saw out his contract. I sincerely hope that the the BoD's second and third options would decisively be able to put their finger on why things went stale with IM and to explain what they would do differently - and how. I took (and still take) for granted that a new manager would not just be whichever former team-manager is looking for work and would be a progressive, not a regressive step. I hope he will be the former!
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Post by RedZebra on Aug 17, 2024 16:30:03 GMT
Give Douglas Samuel MBE the job, he knows how to beat the Staggies
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